Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
You know i dont buy any of this 'oh i'm a big-shot dealer' stuff

For one thing wtf are they doing on this goofy site on a friday night - arent they supposed to be rich?

Hire some kid to do it for you LOL!

Plus if they were a dealer for real theyd know this stuff already and not be seeking opinions on here

Hey i did a little searching on here for the word 'expert'

Nobody seems to be stepping up and saying, oh i'm this big expert

Just the opposite, oh i'm no expert. Just other people saying, oh youre such an expert, tell me such and such

Plus i think this so called dealer is the one who writes 'you lose loser'

Not executive material LOL

So i just not feeling this person as a for real dealer

Maybe their kid or something


There's at least one other dealer other than me that posts on this site and I don't feel bad for calling people losers when they try to pass their opinions off as truths, purposely mislead people and offer no value whatsoever on here. For the record 1042 customers today and an average sale of $44.27....do the math and see how rich I'm getting. I pay people to do the work, so I have lots of time to debunk faker advocates.
 

CT Challenger

New member
We never did find out why the CTers post so many lies here.

Why wouldn't they just be honest about what people wrote, instead of twisting others words?

Why wouldn't they just be honest about their own policies? About the policies of other stores?

If they are being honest now about something, nobody is going to believe them, having been lied to too many times.

Strange way to run a business. Assuming anybody believes they run a business!
 

CT Challenger

New member
We never did find out why the CTers post so many lies here.

sure we did

the 'loser loser loses' guy is ticked off because someone wrote that things that are against the law are illegal

and that the ct's repair only policy is against the law

somehow being ticked off at people is a good enough reason to tell lies for months on end

i suspect the sheer joy of being annoying is a factor too

not really rocket science

Strange way to run a business.

agreed - trying to protect the store's reputation, but making the dealers look like a bunch of crack-pot liars

not the best pr move.
 
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Canadian Consumers

Guest
We’ve been down this road before. In February, I think.

If the CT Reps don’t like the web sites that say a consumer is entitled to a refund for a defective item, then the Reps should contact those sites, and present their “proof”.

A list of sites is provided for their convenience, here:

https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...aints-chat/707-sale-goods-act-6.html#post3613

Once those sites are updated, we can remove them from the list.

Until then, it’s a waste of time for CT Reps to debate these issue with consumers here. We’ve learned not to trust what the CT Reps claim. We know that CT has a financial stake in this.

In the meantime, we consumers can do our own research, and make up our own minds.

So, let us know when those sites are updated!

Regards,

Canadian Consumers
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
sure we did

the 'loser loser loses' guy is ticked off because someone wrote that things that are against the law are illegal

and that the ct's repair only policy is against the law

somehow being ticked off at people is a good enough reason to tell lies for months on end

i suspect the sheer joy of being annoying is a factor too

not really rocket science



agreed - trying to protect the store's reputation, but making the dealers look like a bunch of crack-pot liars

not the best pr move.


I gather that you don't like someone challenging your wrong opinions. Call me a liar all you want, but you have been asked to provide people with REAL proof and you can't do it. See, pretender faker advocates are easily exposed. Ignore all the evidence posted or the knowledge of those that have more intelligence than you....it still won't make your opinion any more valid.
My favorite quote for you is.....wait for it.....you lose, loser, you lose!
 
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Fed Up Consumer

Guest
These Canadian Tire people are disgusting.

They tell one lie after another, without regard to the truth - just whatever they feel like saying at the time.

There lies aren't even very consistent either.

Returns don't cost us any money, they say repeatedly. Then its, "costs are kept down on needless returns". No regard for the truth at all.

When people point this out, they tell even more lies, otfen about the person who blew the whistle on them.

If that doesnt' silence their critics they bring out the personal insult hoping to intimidate them.

The CT people say they aren't convinced of what the law says? Fine let the live in denial.

The customers only need enough information to get them started in the right direction. There's plenty of that, thanks to my fellow consumers on this and other site. Oh, and published articles in newspapers and on consumer sites.

CT is being represented by crack pot liars

That sums them up pretty well.
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
These Canadian Tire people are disgusting.

They tell one lie after another, without regard to the truth - just whatever they feel like saying at the time.

There lies aren't even very consistent either.

Returns don't cost us any money, they say repeatedly. Then its, "costs are kept down on needless returns". No regard for the truth at all.

When people point this out, they tell even more lies, otfen about the person who blew the whistle on them.

If that doesnt' silence their critics they bring out the personal insult hoping to intimidate them.

The CT people say they aren't convinced of what the law says? Fine let the live in denial.

The customers only need enough information to get them started in the right direction. There's plenty of that, thanks to my fellow consumers on this and other site. Oh, and published articles in newspapers and on consumer sites.

CT is being represented by crack pot liars

That sums them up pretty well.


Always amazes me how much this loser says, without saying anything relevant.

What published articles specifically say CTC's return policies are illegal? Answer: none. Quit being a liar.

What consumer sites have anything more than peoples opinions....they are entitled to those, but they aren't the law.....lie number two.

You get called every time because you think your opinion trumps all others.....they don't....you continue to lose.
 

CT Challenger

New member
I just love it when the stupid CT liars post their lies right here on the "CT Defenders Post Lies" thread.

It's so much more convenient for any consumers to pick away at.

Take this batch of lies, for example:

quoted from teh CPA, i might suggest looking at the header of the section you found that under. It's called FUTURE CONTRACTS.

Let's start with the most obvious and easily disproven lie: there is NO SUCH THING in the CPA as a "FUTURE CONTRACT"!

These dumb CT Liars can't even QUOTE the law accurately, let alone interpret it!

Just search "Consumer Protection Act, 2002, S.O. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A" for that term - you won't find it.

Oh, then, gee, where do we find "the section" that talks about "cancelling" or "cancellation"?

Well, how about we search the REST of the TABLE OF CONTENTS, huh?

23 - Cancelling future performance agreements"

I can hear their tiny mental wheels turning: "I'm a CT Liar. Look what I found! I don't need to read any more. I'll just jump right onto CT Sucks, and shoot my mouth off about how wrong everybody else is!"

But guess what? If you BOTHER to SCROLL DOWN a few lines, you'll find the following sections also cover "Cancel":

28 - Time Share Agreements
35 - Personal Development Services
40 - Internet Agreements
43 - Direct Agreements
47 - Remote Agreements

And here's an interesting one:

94 - Cancellation.

Holy Crap! Look at all the stuff the CT Genius managed to miss! And mis-interpret!

And that's just the friggin' Table of Contents that they couldn't comprehend!

Like you agree to have a kitchen installed or house built or something.... and change your mind. you can cancel a FUTURE contract and receive your money back ....

Well, Bravo, Mr. CT Dumb-ass.

You've only proven yourself, once more, to be an incompetent liar.

And how about all the bandwidth the customer-hating CT Liars wasted, complaining about "interpretations" by others?

Seems pretty ironic now.

you can cancel a FUTURE contract and receive your money back.

Well, at least you managed to get that right. Too bad it's irrelevant - LOL Hilarious!

Not one that's already been completed. future contract. drill that into your head, .

Ha-ha!

The only thing that needs drilling is YOUR head, CT Liar!

You might want to check out the rest of the Act, especially Section 94 called "Cancellation", where it talks about (have you guessed it yet???) ..... "Cancellation"!

Not that I'm going bother 'interpreting' anything for you - there are already 14 reputable sites where that's been done for us.

Far safer to trust any one of those sites, over the dumb and disreputable CT Liars.

But you know what? This same lie was already thoroughly disproven, a few weeks ago, in this thread:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/c...-chilliwack-bc/664-store-credit.html#post3618"

Sound like another one to add to the "Frequent Liars Club".

Oh, but when you finally get around to reading past the TABLE of CONTENTS, kindly keep your stupid mis-interpretations and lies to yourself.

It'll be less embarrassing for you, that way.
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
I just love it when the stupid CT liars post their lies right here on the "CT Defenders Post Lies" thread.

It's so much more convenient for any consumers to pick away at.

Take this batch of lies, for example:



Let's start with the most obvious and easily disproven lie: there is NO SUCH THING in the CPA as a "FUTURE CONTRACT"!

These dumb CT Liars can't even QUOTE the law accurately, let alone interpret it!

Just search "Consumer Protection Act, 2002, S.O. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A" for that term - you won't find it.

Oh, then, gee, where do we find "the section" that talks about "cancelling" or "cancellation"?

Well, how about we search the REST of the TABLE OF CONTENTS, huh?

23 - Cancelling future performance agreements"

I can hear their tiny mental wheels turning: "I'm a CT Liar. Look what I found! I don't need to read any more. I'll just jump right onto CT Sucks, and shoot my mouth off about how wrong everybody else is!"

But guess what? If you BOTHER to SCROLL DOWN a few lines, you'll find the following sections also cover "Cancel":

28 - Time Share Agreements
35 - Personal Development Services
40 - Internet Agreements
43 - Direct Agreements
47 - Remote Agreements

And here's an interesting one:

94 - Cancellation.

Holy Crap! Look at all the stuff the CT Genius managed to miss! And mis-interpret!

And that's just the friggin' Table of Contents that they couldn't comprehend!



Well, Bravo, Mr. CT Dumb-ass.

You've only proven yourself, once more, to be an incompetent liar.

And how about all the bandwidth the customer-hating CT Liars wasted, complaining about "interpretations" by others?

Seems pretty ironic now.



Well, at least you managed to get that right. Too bad it's irrelevant - LOL Hilarious!



Ha-ha!

The only thing that needs drilling is YOUR head, CT Liar!

You might want to check out the rest of the Act, especially Section 94 called "Cancellation", where it talks about (have you guessed it yet???) ..... "Cancellation"!

Not that I'm going bother 'interpreting' anything for you - there are already 14 reputable sites where that's been done for us.

Far safer to trust any one of those sites, over the dumb and disreputable CT Liars.

But you know what? This same lie was already thoroughly disproven, a few weeks ago, in this thread:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/c...-chilliwack-bc/664-store-credit.html#post3618"

Sound like another one to add to the "Frequent Liars Club".

Oh, but when you finally get around to reading past the TABLE of CONTENTS, kindly keep your stupid mis-interpretations and lies to yourself.

It'll be less embarrassing for you, that way.

You know with all your wordiness, how about you save every one some time and give just one example, either from these 14 sites (of opinions I gather) or any other credible source that can prove your opinion correct. Unfortunately, you have been unable to do so for soooo long, that it is evident to the odd readers of this joke of a sucks.com site....that it doesn't exist.
6 years since the last CPA amendment, and still not even ONE example that states CT isn't following the rules.
Talk about stupid mis-interpretations....you've been living that lie from day one.
No worries....made huge coin today and didn't even go in.
 
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CT Challenger

Guest
The CT Liar (we only know for sure there’s one) was actually not very productive this past weekend.

Mostly he/she only offered the usual, desperate attempts to convince Canadian Consumers that:

- proof isn’t really proof
- experts aren’t really experts
- advocates aren’t really advocates
- credible sources are not credible
- the CT Liar’s opinion is the only one that’s correct
- it’s OK for stores to sell junk, and not follow the law.
- their policies aren’t the worst of any major retailer.

The main focus was a re-telling of Lie #9: A customer is not entitled to a refund for a “Repair Only” or “Exchange Only” product.

( Guess this needs updating to include the many "No Warranty" products, too.)

The list of references that CT doesn’t want Consumers to believe are here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...aints-chat/707-sale-goods-act-6.html#post3613"

The only real surprise was when the CT Liar decided out of the blue to break his/her own rule & start offering personal mis-interpretations on the CPA.

This nonsense was thoroughly debunked (for the second time).

Just to make things easier, we'll now track this as:

Lie #18 – The CPA does not apply to ordinary retail transactions.

The proof can be found here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...enders-post-so-many-lies-here-7.html#post3959"

And here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/c...-chilliwack-bc/664-store-credit.html#post3618"



There was a lot of stuff posted about other stores. We haven’t really heard back on how many lies are contained in those posts (not that they really matter).

However, a quick check on the Future Shop site, and found a typical CT lie right away:

“Future Shop & Best Buy return policy states No returns on DVD's, movies, CD's etc”

If you check for yourself, you’ll see that an exchange is allowed, which is a type of return.



There was also the claim that “in lots of cases” CTC’s policies “are better” than other store’s policies.

For Costco, Walmart and Home Depot, all return policies surveyed so far have been better than at CTC.

Perhaps the CT Liar would care to provide some verifiable evidence that this is true? Otherwise, this will be held for consideration as an Offical CT Lie.

And why don't they provide evidence? Just more laziness? Are they getting bored of fabriating phoney "proof"? Because there isn't any?

We'll just have to wait and see what lies the concoct this week.

"Friends Don't Let Friends Shop at Canadian Tire"
 

CT Me / Lawguy

Posted by an unregistered user
Exactly as I suspected
Two questions, not a single answer to either one of them

Major Appliances from Home Depot
DVD's from BestBuy

Not one of you could step up to say how they are viewed according to CPA and SGA according to your interpretation. I even gave you three days while I was away travelling again and all you could do was call us liars lol
 

CT Me / Lawguy

Posted by an unregistered user
To answer an above question, "why do i come here looking for advice from random people online, i should know these things, it's my job" you sir win a prize. It is my job, and i already DO know the answers.

The point is this. there's atleast two ct owners here, very versed in the laws and rules. There's about 10 others here posting that claim they know the laws and rules. So i'm surely not here seeking advice. And for the record, I have called the ministry in several provinces and received the same answer regarding things like pressure washers. The answer is if my policy says repair defective, i'm within my rights not to refund for cash. As long as we offer a suitable remedy that gets the product working, we are 100% within our legal rights. I've researched, I know it. the problem is when i've posted the answers here, all i get is liar liar, you're wrong you don't know etc.... when in fact I do know, it's my job, it's my business, it's my livelihood for my family and myself. Believe me if i was operating illgally, it would put all of that at risk, and i'd never do anythign to put my world at risk.

The BestBuy DVD & Home Depot scenarios were a couple of examples I was using to prove a point. according to people here, the right to a cash refund is absolute if the customer demands it. The written policies that I provided for those two scenarios clearly state no cash refund. So I want to know how the posters here view it in terms of their ideas of the CPA and SGA. Not one actually addressed the issue. to me, that proves my point, you don't know the answer OR you do know the answer and it doesn't suit your position so you just turn to calling me a liar.

Either way the point is proven.

I could easily find 20 or 30 items in half an hour falling under the same scenario, that you would not be able to show that your version of the CPA entitles you to cash back. You would lose all day long
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
The CT Liar (we only know for sure there’s one) was actually not very productive this past weekend.

Mostly he/she only offered the usual, desperate attempts to convince Canadian Consumers that:

- proof isn’t really proof
- experts aren’t really experts
- advocates aren’t really advocates
- credible sources are not credible
- the CT Liar’s opinion is the only one that’s correct
- it’s OK for stores to sell junk, and not follow the law.
- their policies aren’t the worst of any major retailer.

The main focus was a re-telling of Lie #9: A customer is not entitled to a refund for a “Repair Only” or “Exchange Only” product.

( Guess this needs updating to include the many "No Warranty" products, too.)

The list of references that CT doesn’t want Consumers to believe are here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...aints-chat/707-sale-goods-act-6.html#post3613"

The only real surprise was when the CT Liar decided out of the blue to break his/her own rule & start offering personal mis-interpretations on the CPA.

This nonsense was thoroughly debunked (for the second time).

Just to make things easier, we'll now track this as:

Lie #18 – The CPA does not apply to ordinary retail transactions.

The proof can be found here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...enders-post-so-many-lies-here-7.html#post3959"

And here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/c...-chilliwack-bc/664-store-credit.html#post3618"



There was a lot of stuff posted about other stores. We haven’t really heard back on how many lies are contained in those posts (not that they really matter).

However, a quick check on the Future Shop site, and found a typical CT lie right away:



There was also the claim that “in lots of cases” CTC’s policies “are better” than other store’s policies.

For Costco, Walmart and Home Depot, all return policies surveyed so far have been better than at CTC.

Perhaps the CT Liar would care to provide some verifiable evidence that this is true? Otherwise, this will be held for consideration as an Offical CT Lie.

And why don't they provide evidence? Just more laziness? Are they getting bored of fabriating phoney "proof"? Because there isn't any?

We'll just have to wait and see what lies the concoct this week.

"Friends Don't Let Friends Shop at Canadian Tire"

Future Shop & Best Buy return policy states No returns on DVD's, movies, CD's etc”

If you check for yourself, you’ll see that an exchange is allowed, which is a type of return.


Nice....I've been saying the same thing for months....an exchange is allowed, which is a type of return....and been repeatedly told I'm a liar because this contravenes the CPA act and a refund must be given.
This faker advocate dude can't even see his own contradictory statements anymore....ouch.
Well, thanks for proving my point yet again, that an exchange or repair is well within the CPA guidelines. I guess that's why you couldn't find even ONE example that stated otherwise.
 

Guest-0479

Posted by an unregistered user
Two questions, not a single answer to either one of them

Not one of you could step up to say how they are viewed according to CPA and SGA according to your interpretation. I even gave you three days while I was away travelling again and all you could do was call us liars lol

I thought it was obvious from the site's name, but the CT Liars haven't figured out yet that this isn't some kind of "help line" for stores to get ideas on how to continue ripping off customers.

In fact, we are just a bunch of ordinary consumers, supporting one-another, and sharing information that's helpful to us.

Nobody can stop these jerks from posting their lies and BS here, but that doesn't mean we have to so their research for them, or even pay attention to their bogus questions.
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
The CT Liar (we only know for sure there’s one) was actually not very productive this past weekend.

Mostly he/she only offered the usual, desperate attempts to convince Canadian Consumers that:

- proof isn’t really proof
- experts aren’t really experts
- advocates aren’t really advocates
- credible sources are not credible
- the CT Liar’s opinion is the only one that’s correct
- it’s OK for stores to sell junk, and not follow the law.
- their policies aren’t the worst of any major retailer.

The main focus was a re-telling of Lie #9: A customer is not entitled to a refund for a “Repair Only” or “Exchange Only” product.

( Guess this needs updating to include the many "No Warranty" products, too.)

The list of references that CT doesn’t want Consumers to believe are here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...aints-chat/707-sale-goods-act-6.html#post3613"

The only real surprise was when the CT Liar decided out of the blue to break his/her own rule & start offering personal mis-interpretations on the CPA.

This nonsense was thoroughly debunked (for the second time).

Just to make things easier, we'll now track this as:

Lie #18 – The CPA does not apply to ordinary retail transactions.

The proof can be found here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/g...enders-post-so-many-lies-here-7.html#post3959"

And here:

"https://www.canadiantiresucks.net/c...-chilliwack-bc/664-store-credit.html#post3618"



There was a lot of stuff posted about other stores. We haven’t really heard back on how many lies are contained in those posts (not that they really matter).

However, a quick check on the Future Shop site, and found a typical CT lie right away:

“Future Shop & Best Buy return policy states No returns on DVD's, movies, CD's etc”

If you check for yourself, you’ll see that an exchange is allowed, which is a type of return.



There was also the claim that “in lots of cases” CTC’s policies “are better” than other store’s policies.

For Costco, Walmart and Home Depot, all return policies surveyed so far have been better than at CTC.

Perhaps the CT Liar would care to provide some verifiable evidence that this is true? Otherwise, this will be held for consideration as an Offical CT Lie.

And why don't they provide evidence? Just more laziness? Are they getting bored of fabriating phoney "proof"? Because there isn't any?

We'll just have to wait and see what lies the concoct this week.

"Friends Don't Let Friends Shop at Canadian Tire"


Let's start with returns on electronics....14 days for others on many items, 30 days for CTC

Automotive parts warranties and warranty on labour in the shop....no one has ever touched CTC's....considered the best in the business.

90 day return on almost every other unused item....not the same everywhere.

Enough for ya or will this all be called lies...LOL
 

CT Me / Lawguy

Posted by an unregistered user
Two questions, not a single answer to either one of them

I thought it was obvious from the site's name, but the CT Liars haven't figured out yet that this isn't some kind of "help line" for stores to get ideas on how to continue ripping off customers.

In fact, we are just a bunch of ordinary consumers, supporting one-another, and sharing information that's helpful to us.

Nobody can stop these jerks from posting their lies and BS here, but that doesn't mean we have to so their research for them, or even pay attention to their bogus questions.

I don't want or need you to do any research on my behalf. We also have no issues with you 'supporting' one another. However in order to be of REAL support, you must be accurate, factual and truthful otherwise you're going to lead these customers you're trying to "support" down a path that will piss them off more.

Nice way around answering the question though.

how do DVD's and major appliances get protected by the CPA when it clearly states in the returns and warranties websites for the retailers mentioned, no returns?

answer
 

Angry CT Guy

Posted by an unregistered user
Two questions, not a single answer to either one of them



I thought it was obvious from the site's name, but the CT Liars haven't figured out yet that this isn't some kind of "help line" for stores to get ideas on how to continue ripping off customers.

In fact, we are just a bunch of ordinary consumers, supporting one-another, and sharing information that's helpful to us.

Nobody can stop these jerks from posting their lies and BS here, but that doesn't mean we have to so their research for them, or even pay attention to their bogus questions.

Of course you don't have to answer the questions that PROVE you wrong.....that would make you an OBVIOUS faker advocate....no worries though, you get called on your stupidity each and every day. Don't forget to donate....box and paypal link found right at the top.
 

Guest-0479

Posted by an unregistered user
It's amazing the number of lies the CT Reps will tell, if you just start keeping track.

What's even more surprising is how they keep re-telling them.

They say this site and the consumers who read it don't matter, but they sure expend a lot of energy trying to convince us that their lies are the truth.

A couple of old lies are being re-told, so its time to add them to the list:

CT Lie #19 – If any other store has a time limit for refunds or exchanges on any products, the SOGA and CPA don’t apply to anything CT sells.

The SOGA and the CPA (and any other laws) are unchanged by the policies of individual stores. CT cannot simply decide for themselves that they are above the law.

Check the laws in your province and contact your Consumer’s Ministry for specific time limits for your case.

CT Lie #20 – If any other store has any “exchange only” products, the SOGA and CPA don’t apply to anything CT sells.

The SOGA and the CPA (and any other laws) are unchanged by the policies of individual stores. CT cannot simply decide for themselves that they are above the law.

There may be specific health laws regarding underwear/swimsuits, copyright laws for digital media, or laws for “as-is” items, but that doesn’t mean the SOGA and CPA don’t apply to other products.
 
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