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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

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    - BTW, you're not even an owner, just related to one.
    DavidLER
    - Interesting. How do you know?
    Very interesting I agree. So in order to know that information, you would also have to know whO i am, who the owner I apparently am related to is and by knowing all of that, you'd be likely to know which City/Town and which store. So..... let er rip! Details please

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    I'm not the one telling you the consumer laws. DavidLER is the one who posts all the links …
    Fellow Forum Followers:

    I must admit that my first reaction to this was, to use the vernacular of younger people these days, “OMG” and “WTF!!!!!”

    But upon a closer reading, I realize that, yes, CT Me has not (that I recall) ever posted any actual “consumer laws”.

    I confess: it is indeed I, DavidLeR, who has posted consumer legislation to a thread on the topic of, well, consumer legislation. And also on this thread, but only in response to a cross-post by CT Me. Not that that excuses me or anything.

    Yes, shame on me – how dare I attempt to substantiate my claims?

    And, of course, kudos must go to CT Me for resisting the temptation to substatiate her claims. Congrat’s!

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    … and his interpretations.
    I suppose I owe another apology for my attempts at interpretations (compounded, obviously, by my reprehensible attempts to substantiate them).

    I would be far better off following CT Me’s example, and not indulge in interpretation.

    Oh, wait …. hasn’t CT Me done this? She denies it, but hasn't she posted volumes of (mis)interpretation? And yet she is now claiming that such postings are a BAD thing? Isn’t this called “hypocrisy”?

    Never mind – I cannot use the sins of another to justify my own transgressions.

    In my defense, I’d like to point out that I recently stopped posting interpretations.

    Instead, I have only used COPY and paste to post the interpretations of others: consumer advocates, consumer legislation lawyers, the legislative assembly, and so forth. But the strength of their credentials does not outweigh my prior bad acts.


    One final note:

    In these case, it ultimately won’t matter what I think.
    It won’t matter what the customer thinks.
    It won’t matter what a store manager or owner thinks.
    It won’t matter what the consumer advocates think.
    And sure as Hell it won't matter what someone who calls themselves "CT Me" thinks.

    What will matter?

    What the judge hearing the case will think.

    And, in the days leading up to the court date, it will matter what the CT lawyers ‘think the judge will think’.

    Because, if the CT lawyers think the judge will side with the consumer, the CT lawyers will cave.

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeR View Post
    Interesting. How do you know?
    The same way you found out you're talking to a dumb female, Robin. At least 3 people are posting as "CT Me" all with mental handicaps. I would expect an average intelligent response from the collective but as you've seen... not even close.

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    Very interesting I agree. So in order to know that information, you would also have to know whO i am, who the owner I apparently am related to is and by knowing all of that, you'd be likely to know which City/Town and which store. So..... let er rip! Details please
    Is this another chicken shit challenge from you? What happened the last time you called me out? Oh that's right you beaked off and backed down. What was the problem then, Daddy wouldn't give you the money?

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    DavidLER - Indeed I have posted information regarding consumer laws, some of which are my interpretations, same as you. You may call this hypocrisy, i can live with that. we stand on the same front. You believe your interpretations are correct, I am confident they are not. I am sure mine are, you believe they are not. Your friends on here will side with you because you're united in hating CT. If i was a neutral party, I think i'd be leaning towards believing he who does this for a living and has spent many years entrenched in knowing the retail business and the acts that govern such. You are also correct in stating that your opinion and mine does not count. It's a judge that makes the final ruling. Having said that, for the amount of time a ruling like this ever goes as far as lawyer and court, seems rather minor in the grand scheme of things. To date I have not faced a court case, judge or lawsuit and have three, count them all of three processes involving lawyers. Two from ex-employees, both of which had no foundation and were stopped before a court got involved and one lonely letter from a lawyer who's client claimed that we intentionally told an auto parts supplier to delay delivering parts for her car because she is black. My responding letter and corresponding documentation and video surveillance sent back to her lawyer ended that also. That one was so funny, I didn't even involve a lawyer. I responded myself.

    UnRegistered - I fear not your challenges. I have built my career on sound judgement and good decision making, especially financially. So wagering cash with some anonymous unregistered user on a random internet forum surely would not qualify as good decision making.

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    Your friends on here will side with you because you're united in hating CT.
    Hey, boys and girls!

    “CT Me” may not actually exist as a single human being, but she/he/it/they make(s) a good point:

    We all seem to have one thing in common: we all seem to have witnessed various unethical, immoral and illegal activities on the part of Canadian Tire Corporation, and seem united in getting the word out on how much this company sucks.

    So, I thought of this totally cool idea: Why don’t we all get together, and create a web site!!!!

    Kind of a forum devoted to the various ways CT fails.

    We could call it, “Canadian Tire Fails To Meet Customer Expectations.com”. No, that too long.

    “Canadian Tire is Really, Really Bad At Stuff.org”. Better.

    But not nearly as good as this: “Canadian Tire Sucks.net”.

    Surely anybody with half a brain could figure out what a site with that name would be all about, and wouldn't post inane drivel on how great these stores and garages supposedly are, or how they don't really try to cheat customers.

    Or try to pull the wool over our eyes by mis-representing and mis-quoting CP laws.

    Hold on while I check to see if the URL is still available ….

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    ... and don't forget, make sure that 98% of the people you invite to join the website have only a one sided view and refuse to open their eyes, ears and minds to the possibility that they might not be 100% correct all the time.

    That should make for great debating.

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    Have you nothing other then a foul mouth to speak with?
    I usually like my women thin and young but you'll do for now porky. Grab some wallet from the customer, now squeal like it matters piggy.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    Let's make several things clear. I have ZERO to do with this bogus CBC report, which at best is witch hunting poor journalism.
    That's right piggy, turn the other way because you don't like that spot.

    No wonder you don't like all those CPA links the boy wonder has brought. Afraid of an informed customer? Afraid of making money honestly?

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    the face of additional facts (other major safety problems of other companies) you fail to acknowledge that they exist or happened.
    You forget where you're at? Attention span of a goldfish. Go ahead and talk as much as you like with as much detail as you can about those companies then.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    I have never heard of or seen any CT store charging for a hoist fee. period. Show me otherwise or its a dead issue.
    Close your eyes and click your heels all you want SU-EEE. Ignore it or hate it all you want, the Canadian Tire HOIST FEE much like the fabled CPA unicorn and the 'bogus CBC report' very much exists. So if you hoisted a car up for a customer after he came back how much more do you bill them for? Don't tell me free?!?!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    despite your foul mouth you could be the most caring empathetic human being in the world for all I know.
    You forgot 'cute' and 'sexy'.

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I usually like my women thin and young but you'll do for now porky. Grab some wallet from the customer, now squeal like it matters piggy.

    That's right piggy, turn the other way because you don't like that spot.
    Dude can you read or do you just selectively read and decide what you like and don't like? I have acknowledged on many occasions that problems exist with auto service, and all skilled trades for that matter. CT, small shops, dealers.... we all suffer from the same crooked mechanic problems at various times. There has been undercover investigations for years, some prove wrongdoing, some don't. This particular example though is weak at best, which is the reason it got buried pretty quick. CBC is the only one that reported on it, nobody else would even put it as back page news.

    No wonder you don't like all those CPA links the boy wonder has brought. Afraid of an informed customer? Afraid of making money honestly?
    I have no problem with CPA links and information. They are part of doing business. They serve to protect consumers, and despite the fact i'm a retailer, I am also a consumer. The legislation protects me as much as it protects the next guy. The problem I have, is when someone (DavidLER) tries to interpret them without truly knowing the rules. It has zero impact on me at the end of the day, all its doing is misinforming customers of their rights, which will lead them to disappointment when they find out they were given bum information. Since you all stick together, if you want to be a bunch of lemmings and follow eachother down the wrong path... have at 'er.

    Now I pose this, a straight up honest question. Do businesses stay alive long term, thrive, profit and grow if all they do is rip off customers?
    The answer is no. Especially in the modern world where something happens and instantly its news or twittered or facebooked. poor performance, poor results and certainly crooked businesses get exposed and go broke.... quickly.
    So if we are that dirty, why are we still in business making profit? Because we do business in your face, in every major retail center in Canada and make an honest buck. period.

    You forget where you're at? Attention span of a goldfish. Go ahead and talk as much as you like with as much detail as you can about those companies then.
    I'm not interested in specifics of these companies. The reports are there for millions to read. multiple deaths and injury as a result of their performances at various stages over the years. My point is if you want to pick on one company (mine), open your eyes to what else is going on. Apples to apples my friend. Also worth noting, despite their incompetence at some stage, that does not render these companies or their people evil, terrible, grossly incompetent as a whole... and it didn't render them broke. Ford and Firestone still make cars and tires. Maple Leaf foods still processes food. The world moves on when things go wrong.

    Close your eyes and click your heels all you want SU-EEE. Ignore it or hate it all you want, the Canadian Tire HOIST FEE much like the fabled CPA unicorn and the 'bogus CBC report' very much exists. So if you hoisted a car up for a customer after he came back how much more do you bill them for? Don't tell me free?!?!!
    Okay then i won't tell you free, since you won't listen to it.
    Wait, yes I will. If a customer comes in genuinely concerned that we have done wrong when working on the car When it's our fault, we inspect it and fix it no charge.
    Here's the neat thing about automobiles and machinery in general. They leave clues. When parts fail, wear out etc... there are symptoms, signs of wear out, traces of fluids or metals and plastics, spots that are shiny when they should be dull or where everything else around it is rusted. With a car on the hoist or a hood up it's much easier to have a conversation with the customer and show them whats going on.
    Let me guess... I'm lying? go ahead accuse me of something else lol

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    Re: CBC's "Go Public" reports on Canadian Tire.

    After weeks and weeks of delusional rantings about consumer law, CT Me decided to post thusly at 10:14 AM:

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    I'm not the one telling you the consumer laws. DavidLER is the one who posts all the links and his interpretations.
    Then, at 1:13 PM it morphed into this:

    Quote Originally Posted by CT Me View Post
    Indeed I have posted information regarding consumer laws, some of which are my interpretations
    Her crazy house of cards is falling down around her, and any tattered semblance of credibility with it.

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