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    Free Speech? What's the deal?

    The front page of this site has this noble quotation of the Canadian right to Free speech. Incidentally there is a grammar error right in the body of that post - free speech indeed.
    What struck me though (more than the poor grammar), is that after reading the quotation and deciding to make a post I had to "read and accept" the following limitations on the said free speech. Interesting that a site that claims to be built on the concept of free speech requires acceptance of a number of limitations of that same free speech just to join. Here, for clarity, are the limitations on your free speech imposed by this site:

    Please DO NOT use abusive, vulgar, attacking and/or antagonistic messages.


    Please DO NOT post anything PORNOGRAPHIC, EXCESSIVELY VIOLENT, ILLEGAL, ABUSIVE or HATEFUL.


    Please post in the CORRECT forum.


    All posts must be written in English.


    No Harassment: Do not harass any other user posting messages to the forum. The determination of what constitutes harassment is at the sole discretion of canadiantiresucks.net web site staff.


    Don't spam/abuse any other member via e-mail, Private Messages or posting.


    No advertising! in the forum. This includes but is not limited to banner ads, spamming or trying to sell something.
    If you attempt to use the canadiantiresucks.net web site to promote a product or service, your comments will be removed from the web site and your ISP will be blocked.


    No Warez of any kind. This includes but is not limited to Key-gens, Serials, Cracks, Warez Links.


    No posting of people's personal information. Including names, addresses, and so on.


    No Pornography of any kind is to be posted on this site. Avatars must not have exposed privates or see-through clothes.


    Multiple Posting: Please do not multiple post the same thing in the same or different forums. This is annoying to everyone. Multiple posts will be deleted and you will be warned.


    Allowed content: Please restrict all posts to factual information or personal opinions. Do not make libelous claims against Canadian Tire Corporation, Limited or any other party or organization.

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    The front page of this site has this noble quotation of the Canadian right to Free speech. Incidentally there is a grammar error right in the body of that post - free speech indeed.
    What struck me though (more than the poor grammar), is that after reading the quotation and deciding to make a post I had to "read and accept" the following limitations on the said free speech. Interesting that a site that claims to be built on the concept of free speech requires acceptance of a number of limitations of that same free speech just to join. Here, for clarity, are the limitations on your free speech imposed by this site:
    Please tell us where the error(s) is/are so we can make corrections.

    There are reasons behind all these rules:

    Please DO NOT use abusive, vulgar, attacking and/or antagonistic messages.


    Please DO NOT post anything PORNOGRAPHIC, EXCESSIVELY VIOLENT, ILLEGAL, ABUSIVE or HATEFUL.
    EXCESSIVELY VIOLENT, ILLEGAL, ABUSIVE or HATEFUL are not covered in the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms. PORNOGRAPHIC is not allowed on this server.

    Please post in the CORRECT forum.
    This makes the site easier for everyone.

    All posts must be written in English. (French has been added)
    Its a Canadian corporation, and they are Canadas national languages.

    No Harassment: Do not harass any other user posting messages to the forum. The determination of what constitutes harassment is at the sole discretion of canadiantiresucks.net web site staff.

    Don't spam/abuse any other member via e-mail, Private Messages or posting.
    This can be considered EXCESSIVELY VIOLENT, ILLEGAL, ABUSIVE or HATEFUL and is NOT covered in the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

    No advertising! in the forum. This includes but is not limited to banner ads, spamming or trying to sell something.
    If you attempt to use the canadiantiresucks.net web site to promote a product or service, your comments will be removed from the web site and your ISP will be blocked.
    This site is for discussion and comment only.

    No Warez of any kind. This includes but is not limited to Key-gens, Serials, Cracks, Warez Links.
    This is illegal and not allowed on this server.


    No posting of people's personal information. Including names, addresses, and so on.
    This protects everyone.

    No Pornography of any kind is to be posted on this site. Avatars must not have exposed privates or see-through clothes.
    Again pornography is not allowed on this server.

    Multiple Posting: Please do not multiple post the same thing in the same or different forums. This is annoying to everyone. Multiple posts will be deleted and you will be warned.
    This creates clutter and is annoying. One post is good enough.


    Allowed content: Please restrict all posts to factual information or personal opinions. Do not make libelous claims against Canadian Tire Corporation, Limited or any other party or organization.
    In other words, do not make up lies to defame anyone or anything. This is against the law. If you can not back up what you're saying don't make the statement.

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Lot's of people try to rationalise limitations on free speech, otherwise how would it be allowed to happen? The fact is, applying rules that limit the very freedom of speech you say you are a champion of makes you a big-time hypocrite. Your comments like "This protects everyone" and "this makes the site easier for everyone" are generalisations that clearly have exceptions and do infringe on free-speech. It's not the limitations I have the issue with, mind you, it's the hypocrisy.

    Either get rid of the free-speech bull-crap, or get rid of the rules.

    Just don't say exercise your right to free speech then impose limits on how we are allowed to do it.

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    The limits are imposed by the government and probably his/her host server as controversial as they may be. Most host servers do not allow things like pornography and warez and such.
    He/she is saying, say what you want as long as you follow the LAWS set out before us.

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Hmmm... I was not aware of these as LAWS. Did these go through House of Commons Recently?

    Please post in the CORRECT forum is a LAW?

    All posts must be written in English or French is a LAW?


    No advertising in the forum is a LAW?

    And wait a second what is all over the left side of my screen right now? It looks like advertsing to me...

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Those things just make sense to keep things orderly. If these rules aren't in place, if things were actually happening on this site, things would be chaotic and no one would be able to follow anything. Would you rather have One single forum where everything is mixed and no one can find anything specific? If you do, maybe you should start your own forum and have a free for all. See how chaotic it gets. ALL forums that I have ever been on have those rules. Go ahead, check out some other forums.

    All these people complain about how petty it is to complain about a corporation, but in my opinion, it is just as if not more petty to complain about some simple rules that make sense.

    BTW, if you look real hard, you'll see that it says those ads are paying to support this site. these ads, if you know anything about Google Adsense, are put there by the owner of the site. No other advertising is allowed for obvious reasons. It would violate the Trademark and/or Copyright LAW.

    I loved law class. It was one of my favorite subjects during my years of education.
    I was also very good at philosophy. I could argue all day about moot points. that's all I do on a daily basis.

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by mastercraft View Post
    Lot's of people try to rationalise limitations on free speech, otherwise how would it be allowed to happen? The fact is, applying rules that limit the very freedom of speech you say you are a champion of makes you a big-time hypocrite. Your comments like "This protects everyone" and "this makes the site easier for everyone" are generalisations that clearly have exceptions and do infringe on free-speech. It's not the limitations I have the issue with, mind you, it's the hypocrisy.

    Either get rid of the free-speech bull-crap, or get rid of the rules.

    Just don't say exercise your right to free speech then impose limits on how we are allowed to do it.
    I wonder if you'd like me to stand outside your window (on the public street) late at night and scream obscenities and keep you awake. After all, this is freedom of speech, isn't it?

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I wonder if you'd like me to stand outside your window (on the public street) late at night and scream obscenities and keep you awake. After all, this is freedom of speech, isn't it?
    Depending on what time it is, that would be disturbing the peace. Or fixin' to git yer arse kicked, lol...

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I wonder if you'd like me to stand outside your window (on the public street) late at night and scream obscenities and keep you awake. After all, this is freedom of speech, isn't it?
    I'm not sure how screaming obscenities is analogous not posting "in the correct forum", maybe you can help me out with that one.

    But in that case, if I posted obscenities in portuguese or farsi, would it be double bad? You know, not in the correct language but also obscence? Whew!

    Then, what if I double-posted those same obscenities! That would be bordering on criminal!

    Almost as bad as saying Canadian Tire doesn't suck! (oops, I just said it didn't I, at least it was in english).

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    Re: Free Speech? What's the deal?

    Wow! if you're not happy with the site, leave! You're obviously some sort of employee/manager/owner of a C-T and don't like hearing the truth.
    Like someone else said, all the rules that are here are imposed in any other forum. If you're not happy, it's your right TGTFO! Enjoy!

    P.S. CTC sucks!

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