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    Re: Sale of Goods Act

    (Ok, I'm trying to wrap this up with a bow on it, before I take a Holiday break.)


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeR View Post
    Dear CT Me … are you willing [to] graciously admit that you may have been under-informed on this topic?

    (Hint: It's OK, CT Me. 'Cause everybody already knows.)

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    What a treacherous time it's been for the Canadian Tire consumer. Forced to navigate a treacherous narrow, windy road in the dark, with nothing but shear cliff's on either side. Not even the hint of the slightest guard rail to protect the lone consumer. Worthless simoniz washers, yard works and other Canadian Tire junk litter the narrow passage. On some quiet nights, you can hear those horrible screams before the crash of another lost soul.

    It's been a nasty time with consumers shopping at CT, so nasty that there should be a top 10 list of reasons not to shop there. Or maybe it should be titled CT's greatest hits to the consumer.

    10. Forced to show ID for returns and exchanges. You are only supposed to show your id to police.
    09. Not honouring returns or exchanges.
    08. The only national mechanic retailer in the news for trying to rip off a senior citizen, a grandfather, a man who proudly served his country. But to a Canadian Tire owner, he's some shifty "old guy" lying on tv.

    07. Also in the news, CT employees kill a consumer who couldn't get out of there fast enough. CT later says he was "suspected" of shoplifting.

    ---feel free to add.

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    Re: Sale of Goods Act

    Another reference by Ellen Roseman at The Toronto Star:
    "I’m shocked that some people wait so long to get appliances working again. Under the law, manufacturers and retailers have a duty to supply products fit for the intended purpose.

    If you’re stranded, go to small claims court and cite the Sale of Goods Act as an argument to get your money back."
    See "Roseman: Working to fix products that don".

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    Re: Sale of Goods Act

    I’ve seen quite a bit of misinformation on this forum regarding the Ontario Consumer Protection Act of 2002.

    Basicallyt the misinformation is coming from posters who are opposed to Ontario customers getting refunds for defective items.

    This might be due to simple ignorance or misunderstandings, but I can’t help but suspect that the Canadian Tire representatives are deliberately attempting to gain financially by tricking customers into leaving their money with Crappy Tire, instead of giving those customers the refund to which they are entitled, regardless of CT's policy.

    In fact, the CT Reps seem to automatically disputing any pro-consumer facts that are posted here, without any supporting evidence, let alone logic or reason.

    Regardless of their motives or IQ’s, I think its time to address some of these misstatements in a systematic way, so that consumers have a useful reference when researching this topic.

    I will be drawing on and summarizing the many reputable sources available via the internet to set the record straight. I will quote from these sources, and will also provide references to the Act itself, to those sections which I believe are relevant.

    Note that a consumer would be well advised to at least contact the Ministry of Consumer Protection at 1-877-665-0662. It is also advisable to consult a lawyer for specific legal matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeR View Post
    I’ve seen quite a bit of misinformation on this forum regarding the Ontario Consumer Protection Act of 2002.

    Basicallyt the misinformation is coming from posters who are opposed to Ontario customers getting refunds for defective items.

    This might be due to simple ignorance or misunderstandings, but I can’t help but suspect that the Canadian Tire representatives are deliberately attempting to gain financially by tricking customers into leaving their money with Crappy Tire, instead of giving those customers the refund to which they are entitled, regardless of CT's policy.

    In fact, the CT Reps seem to automatically disputing any pro-consumer facts that are posted here, without any supporting evidence, let alone logic or reason.

    Regardless of their motives or IQ’s, I think its time to address some of these misstatements in a systematic way, so that consumers have a useful reference when researching this topic.

    I will be drawing on and summarizing the many reputable sources available via the internet to set the record straight. I will quote from these sources, and will also provide references to the Act itself, to those sections which I believe are relevant.

    Note that a consumer would be well advised to at least contact the Ministry of Consumer Protection at 1-877-665-0662. It is also advisable to consult a lawyer for specific legal matters.

    At least you are admitting that it is what you think and not a fact. With all your research, I just want one example that says Canadian Tire has an illegal return policy. An expert in those two items in the same sentence can be either by a real published advocate, a precedent via court case or W5 for that matter. Just one, not your interpretations, not one line or someone's "opinion", just some real proof.

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    At least you are admitting that it is what you think and not a fact.
    typical ct lie and misrepresentation

    davidler didnt say or admit any such thing

    only that the references to the act would be his beliefs

    the opinions of the experts will be just that - the opinions of the experts

    typical ct liar

    off to a good start i see

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    With all your research, I just want one example that says Canadian Tire has an illegal return policy.
    the repair only policy is illegal for reasons already given

    try to pay attention

    nice try though

    typical of a ct liar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    typical ct lie and misrepresentation

    davidler didnt say or admit any such thing

    only that the references to the act would be his beliefs

    the opinions of the experts will be just that - the opinions of the experts

    typical ct liar

    off to a good start i see



    the repair only policy is illegal for reasons already given

    try to pay attention

    nice try though

    typical of a ct liar

    I haven't seen one "expert" say CT's policy is illegal....do you have any proof that mentions CT's illegal policy by these experts?
    I thought not.
    Better go judge another bikini contest
    Just because a faker advocate believes it, doesn't make it true.

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    Re: Sale of Goods Act

    Below is a list of links with information about obtaining a refund for a defective product in Ontario.

    I'll be referring to these sites by number.

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    1 – Ellen Roseman, “If the product's a dud, insist on your money back"

    "If the product's a dud, insist on your money back - moneyville.ca Blogs"

    2 – Ellen Roseman, “Working to fix products that don’t work"

    "Roseman: Working to fix products that don't"

    3 – Miller Tomson, “ARE YOU READY FOR THE ONTARIO CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT, 2002?”

    "http://www.millerthomson.com/assets/...05%20Final.pdf"

    4 – O’Connor MacLeod Hanna, “Ontario’s New Consumer Protection Law”

    "Milton, Burlington, Oakville Lawyers | O'Connor MacLeod Hanna LLP | Ontario"

    5 - “is that legal”, Cpt 5: General Consumer’s Rights:

    "LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.5: General Consumer Rights"

    6 - “is that legal”, Cpt 7: General Civil Remedies:

    "LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.7: General Civil Remedies (I)"

    7 – Legislative Assembly of Ontario:

    "Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Past & Present | 37:3 Bill 180, Consumer Protection Statute Law Amendment Act, 2002"

    8 – Ptbo & and District Labour Council

    "PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate"

    9 - MCS re: Cancelling:

    "Cancelling a Contract - Ministry of Consumer Services"

    10 - Blakes (General coverage)

    "http://www.blakes.com/pdf/CPA_Oct20_2005.pdf"

    11 - Macmillan – General

    "http://www.mcmillan.ca/Upload/Public...ct,%202002.pdf"

    12 - Stutz & Associates

    "W.W. Stutz & Associates ~ Barristors, Solicitors and Notary Public"

    13 - MCA – basic info:

    "http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/Documents/275071.pdf"

    14 – UWO

    "The University of Western Ontario"

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    Note that I didn't include any outdated web sites that describe the rescinded Business Practices Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeR View Post
    Below is a list of links with information about obtaining a refund for a defective product in Ontario.

    I'll be referring to these sites by number.

    ---

    1 – Ellen Roseman, “If the product's a dud, insist on your money back"

    "If the product's a dud, insist on your money back - moneyville.ca Blogs"

    2 – Ellen Roseman, “Working to fix products that don’t work"

    "Roseman: Working to fix products that don't"

    3 – Miller Tomson, “ARE YOU READY FOR THE ONTARIO CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT, 2002?”

    "http://www.millerthomson.com/assets/...05%20Final.pdf"

    4 – O’Connor MacLeod Hanna, “Ontario’s New Consumer Protection Law”

    "Milton, Burlington, Oakville Lawyers | O'Connor MacLeod Hanna LLP | Ontario"

    5 - “is that legal”, Cpt 5: General Consumer’s Rights:

    "LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.5: General Consumer Rights"

    6 - “is that legal”, Cpt 7: General Civil Remedies:

    "LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.7: General Civil Remedies (I)"

    7 – Legislative Assembly of Ontario:

    "Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Past & Present | 37:3 Bill 180, Consumer Protection Statute Law Amendment Act, 2002"

    8 – Ptbo & and District Labour Council

    "PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate"

    9 - MCS re: Cancelling:

    "Cancelling a Contract - Ministry of Consumer Services"

    10 - Blakes (General coverage)

    "http://www.blakes.com/pdf/CPA_Oct20_2005.pdf"

    11 - Macmillan – General

    "http://www.mcmillan.ca/Upload/Public...ct,%202002.pdf"

    12 - Stutz & Associates

    "W.W. Stutz & Associates ~ Barristors, Solicitors and Notary Public"

    13 - MCA – basic info:

    "http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/Documents/275071.pdf"

    14 – UWO

    "The University of Western Ontario"

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    Note that I didn't include any outdated web sites that describe the rescinded Business Practices Act.

    Hopefully this time around, you will not just pick out one line and say "see this is the interpretation everyone should believe". You will likely be contested with many questions regarding the interpretation, just like you were on redflags.com and on here.
    I like your attempt at advocacy, but I'm not a big fan of you ignoring counter points and questions that challenge your interpretations. Makes me think there is a hidden agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Hopefully this time around, you will not just pick out one line and say "see this is the interpretation everyone should believe". You will likely be contested with many questions regarding the interpretation, just like you were on redflags.com and on here.
    I like your attempt at advocacy, but I'm not a big fan of you ignoring counter points and questions that challenge your interpretations. Makes me think there is a hidden agenda.
    Man, the ct owner/liars can't even wait for something to be posted before they start telling their lies, and making up things that never happened.

    Then they wonder why nobody trusts them. Big shock when the liars aren't believed. Who saw that coming?

    They are even misrepresenting the posts over at redflag deals, where they can't post their anonymous lies. Nice try though. Do not pass go.

    Already they are pretending that the interpretations of the experts are actually the opinions of just one person. Nice try at a pre-emptive strick.

    Nothing of merit has been ignored - just the obvious lies of the ct store owners who want to defend their attemtps to cheat customers, and to fool customers into thinking they aren't entitled to a refund.

    It shouldn't even be necessary to walk the owner/liars throught the laws - they will just try to continue making up their own versions of the laws anyway.

    It's a good thing customers have the brains to see through ct's scams, and not continue to be the victims of these self-serving liars.

    Great business model. Too bad all the other major retailers have honest, reasonable policies around refunds. CT is the only one trying to pull this scam.

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