"Repair Only Warranty" - No Refund, No Exchange

Unregistered said:

Ouch.....getting disproven on a regular basis lately.....I guess it's easy when you lie so often and lack credibility. Sorry.

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Being proven wrong once is hardly "regular". Learn to count.

So much for the recent spate of honesty on the part of the CT Liars. Back to your old deceptions. It was nice while it briefly lasted.

Speaking of counting, you seem be unable to include all the other lies you and the other CT Owner/Liars are caught in. The lies re are repeated so often, people were starting to just assign them numbers.

You pathetic CT Owner/Liars seem to think that if other stores suck, too, then CT is OK. Nice delusion.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for a link to the on-line return policy for CT mowers, saying that you get zero days to return it, even if it's defective.

Or should we just add one more to your long list of lies? What number are we up to?

Let's not get too far off topic, though:

- CT sucks.
- No other major Canadian retailers have the despicable "Repair Only" policy for outdoor power equipment.
- No other Canadian retailers have as many search engine hits for refund complaints.
- Refunds for defective items are legally required by the CPA.
- The "Repair Only" policy is illegal.
- CT Owners and Reps are admitted greedly liars.

It's important to stay focused.

Allow me to do something that the inflated egos of the CT Owner/Liars would never allow them to do: post a clarification.

Unregistered said:

- No other Canadian retailers have as many search engine hits for refund complaints.

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I was referring to the searches that have been posted here for pressure washer complaints.

At least Canadian Tire is the leader in something.

The Owner/Liars should be proud, since this is proof of how they keep expenses down - cheating customers.

Unregistered said:

Yah you got it guys, keep feeding bullshit about what you THINK Canadian Tire and our employees are. I'll just sit back with my Owner friends enjoying the lifestyle of making $10,000 profit per week. How's your bank account doing?

owning something with the red triangle is as good as it gets. So you just work hard at "proving your point" and getting the message out to consumers LOL It's hurting, ouch it's painful. well it's noon, I think i'm going to kick out for the day and go swing the golf club for a few hours, while my business makes me money. How's your 9-5 job today?

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Don't tell me that you're changing your imaginary occupation again? Didn't we already prove that the lawyer and cable puller in your past lives were liars and now you're a millionaire dealer?!? Sure buddy, sure. Why don't you aim higher, like say the moon and make use of your canadian tire helmut?

You're claiming to be a millionaire in a crowded retail franchise in only 3 years? That's just more horseshit from you! It's the same kool-aid that every franchise promises to believers. Even owners of a few Tim Hortons, friends of mine don't even make that claim. As for 9 - 5 and your shorter work days, that's just even more horse shit. Every franchisee of all stripes knows that it takes even longer hours to make it. So the red triangle is the best that anyone can do? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are far far better and quicker ways to make money than being part of something 'crappy'. 10K a week, you still think that's a big number? LOL hilarious!

Unregistered said:

Don't tell me that you're changing your imaginary occupation again? Didn't we already prove that the lawyer and cable puller in your past lives were liars and now you're a millionaire dealer?!? Sure buddy, sure. Why don't you aim higher, like say the moon and make use of your canadian tire helmut?

You're claiming to be a millionaire in a crowded retail franchise in only 3 years? That's just more horseshit from you! It's the same kool-aid that every franchise promises to believers. Even owners of a few Tim Hortons, friends of mine don't even make that claim. As for 9 - 5 and your shorter work days, that's just even more horse shit. Every franchisee of all stripes knows that it takes even longer hours to make it. So the red triangle is the best that anyone can do? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are far far better and quicker ways to make money than being part of something 'crappy'. 10K a week, you still think that's a big number? LOL hilarious!

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Proving you know very little about Canadian Tire. These stores make a small fortune for the franchise owners. Half a million dollars a year isn't even the average profit these stores make, it's below. More lack of credibility on your part.
Winning the lottery is about your only option for making money quicker and better, because you aren't going to make it as an E-Commerce engineer.

Oh please! You're still showing your ignorance of what's actually out there in the real world. That people can shop with peace of mind and stores can still make a profit WITHOUT screwing over customers. As for your money, ha keep dreaming. Is this the same guy who can't understand the difference between revenue and profit? Like I said before, far better, quicker, more honest ways to earn money than the universal triangle of crap.

Unregistered said:

Oh please! You're still showing your ignorance of what's actually out there in the real world. That people can shop with peace of mind and stores can still make a profit WITHOUT screwing over customers. As for your money, ha keep dreaming. Is this the same guy who can't understand the difference between revenue and profit? Like I said before, far better, quicker, more honest ways to earn money than the universal triangle of crap.

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I live in the real world the same as the next person. I guess if someone doesn't share your opinion, then they are just wrong or a liar. And you think this is reality? Sad.

Unregistered said:

Donation System
They are online businesses trying to generate revenue by donation or advertising. Shame, Shame faker advocate.

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Let me see we’ve all understood your position correctly.

If a web page owner helped a vulnerable person who’d been exploited by Crappy Tire, and the web page owner asked if anyone would like to donate to support the site, then the page owner is a "faker advocate", and should be ashamed for exploiting people?

But, back when the Crappy Tire store Owner/Liar misrepresented their return policy, and sold the vulnerable person a piece of junk that the owner knew had a high defect rate ("horrible" pressure washer, for instance), and then the Owner/Liar kept the vulnerable person’s money, despite the CPA, the store Owner/Liar should be proud of their high profit margins?

Have we all understood your position correctly?

Just trying to be clear on the degree of your greed and hypocrisy.

Unregistered said:

Let me see we’ve all understood your position correctly.

If a web page owner helped a vulnerable person who’d been exploited by Crappy Tire, and the web page owner asked if anyone would like to donate to support the site, then the page owner is a "faker advocate", and should be ashamed for exploiting people?

But, back when the Crappy Tire store Owner/Liar misrepresented their return policy, and sold the vulnerable person a piece of junk that the owner knew had a high defect rate ("horrible" pressure washer, for instance), and then the Owner/Liar kept the vulnerable person’s money, despite the CPA, the store Owner/Liar should be proud of their high profit margins?

Have we all understood your position correctly?

Just trying to be clear on the degree of your greed and hypocrisy.

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Hardly the "real world" you live in. But since you finally agree that your E-Commerce site is just that, what about your lack of warranty or merchantability statement under the somewhat hidden terms of service on this site. What's up with that hypocrisy or do I need to post it for you?

Unregistered said:

Hardly the "real world" you live in. But since you finally agree that your E-Commerce site is just that, what about your lack of warranty or merchantability statement under the somewhat hidden terms of service on this site. What's up with that hypocrisy or do I need to post it for you?

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Ouch....fake poster/E-Commerce entrepreneur won't like you exposing the truth like that...no sireee.

Unregistered said:

Hardly the "real world" you live in. But since you finally agree that your E-Commerce site is just that, what about your lack of warranty or merchantability statement under the somewhat hidden terms of service on this site. What's up with that hypocrisy or do I need to post it for you?

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Umm .... you seem to be even more deluded than usual.

If you want to discuss things with the owner of the site, I suggest you send an email to the Admin.

Nope, I don't run a site. I just appreciate the existence of this one. Helps to get the word out to future-ex-CT customers, and to those who've fallen victim to the "repair only" policy - let's not forget about that.

Also, you still seem to think this is an e-commerce site. Have a look at Amazon, for instance. Get real.

Oh, and did that earlier post accurately capture your views of this site and CT's behaviour? Just wondering if you'd care to admit that, or will you continue to dodge the issue?

And, lastly, where's that link you said you had to the on-line return policy for CT mowers, saying that you get zero days to return it, even if it's defective.

CT still sucks.

CT Owner/Liars are still liars.

You're just worse than most.

The CPA does not state a refund must be issued. That little tidbit of information was taken from Ellen Roseman, a consumer advocate lady. The CPA section states that the seller must "make good" on the defective item within the terms of the warranty. It does not specify what making good means, as it varies from product to product. as highlighted on other sites, if that means repair, repair is considered legal. That repair may include refurbished parts for said item.

Regarding franchising and profits. the half million figure, is in fact low, the average PROFIT (not revenue) across the country is much higher. Tim Hortons, although a very good franchise to own, is not nearly as profitable for franchisees. in the 80's and 90's it was extremely profitable. late 1990's TDL revamped the franchise agreement and although lucrative and profitable is very expensive to get into, and not as profitable as it once was, and not even close in comparison to canadian tire. A few hundred grand for most tim's , with a few popping closer to half a million. Consider that Tim's busiest store volumes (REVENUE) is in the 5-6 million range, where as some ct's are upwards of 30 million.
Believe what you want about what franchises will tell their potential owners, in fact many do say people will get rich when they don't. The numbers don't lie my friend, 6 and 7 figures are the normal, not the exception in canadian tire world.

Go on about your rants of screwing customers and no ethics or morals, your personal opinion is not important. Nobody has ever been able on here to answer one simple question, if it's all so incredibly illegal and so incredibly aimed at screwing customers, why do they keep going back? why do they keep spending money? why aren't people suing? answer that question and you will have shown some research and credibility skills

Unregistered said:

Umm .... you seem to be even more deluded than usual.

If you want to discuss things with the owner of the site, I suggest you send an email to the Admin.

Nope, I don't run a site. I just appreciate the existence of this one. Helps to get the word out to future-ex-CT customers, and to those who've fallen victim to the "repair only" policy - let's not forget about that.

Also, you still seem to think this is an e-commerce site. Have a look at Amazon, for instance. Get real.

Oh, and did that earlier post accurately capture your views of this site and CT's behaviour? Just wondering if you'd care to admit that, or will you continue to dodge the issue?

And, lastly, where's that link you said you had to the on-line return policy for CT mowers, saying that you get zero days to return it, even if it's defective.

CT still sucks.

CT Owner/Liars are still liars.

You're just worse than most.

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No comment on the negated warranty and merchabtability of this website? I see you like to ignore anything that disproves your theory or opinion. I never said I had a link to an online return policy for CT mowers-sorry wrong poster I guess. I'm not aware of any special online return warranties. I believe all items come under "If a product is defective, the manufacturer's warranty will apply". That policy is found online, on the receipt, posted in every store.
Sorry faker advocate/E-Commerce wannabe....you may want to start fake posting again under your various personalities.

So many lies, so little time.

First, some more links to add further proof of what a liar and moron you are.

"PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate"

"LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.7: General Civil Remedies (I)"

"http://www.blakes.com/pdf/CPA_Oct20_2005.pdf"

"http://www.mcmillan.ca/Upload/Publi...onference - Consumer Protection Act, 2002.pdf"

"W.W. Stutz & Associates ~ Barristors, Solicitors and Notary Public"

"http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/Documents/275071.pdf"

Unregistered said:

The CPA does not state a refund must be issued.

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It sure does. See the links!

(By that I mean the above links, plus all the ones that already proved what a liar and moron you are.)

Unregistered said:

The CPA section states that the seller must "make good" on the defective item within the terms of the warranty.

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Liar.

The phrase "make good" doesn't even appear in The Act.

I think you are confused with the out-dated London BBB site.

Moron.

Unregistered said:

Go on about your rants of screwing customers and no ethics or morals

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Why, thank you! I think I will.

Unregistered said:

Nobody has ever been able on here to answer one simple question, if it's all so incredibly illegal and so incredibly aimed at screwing customers, why do they keep going back? why do they keep spending money? why aren't people suing?

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Um, that's THREE questions ... learn to count, moron.

Unregistered said:

So many lies, so little time.

First, some more links to add further proof of what a liar and moron you are.

"PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate"

"LEGAL GUIDE: CONSUMER PROTECTION LAW (ONTARIO) - Ch.7: General Civil Remedies (I)"

"http://www.blakes.com/pdf/CPA_Oct20_2005.pdf"

"http://www.mcmillan.ca/Upload/Publi...onference - Consumer Protection Act, 2002.pdf"

"W.W. Stutz & Associates ~ Barristors, Solicitors and Notary Public"

"http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/Documents/275071.pdf"



It sure does. See the links!

(By that I mean the above links, plus all the ones that already proved what a liar and moron you are.)



Liar.

The phrase "make good" doesn't even appear in The Act.

I think you are confused with the out-dated London BBB site.

Moron.



Why, thank you! I think I will.



Um, that's THREE questions ... learn to count, moron.

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I like giving you the rope you hang yourself with, inch by inch.....it's more fun that way.

Don't answer the question about this sites lack of warranty and merchantability....I'll get to that one later, when I let people know how the site owner REALLY makes his money.

Your first link you provided has absolutely nothing to do with this thread....read it...all about businesses that enter into contracts NOT AT THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS....like this site for example. No mention of refund for a defect, no mention of illegal return policies, NOTHNG to prove your point. Please learn to read and stop providing useless links (that's why you get the irrelevant tag)
I'll provide feedback on your remaining posts at my convenience, as I don't like supporting a pornographer (whoops).

lots of good stuff there - not just about direct agreements ie not at the sellers place of business

ct liars cant read or want to trick people

nothing new about that

i really like the first link PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate

it says

"Consumers will now be able to cancel or rescind agreements and demand repayment of money under various scenarios. This is arguably the most significant development brought about by the New CPA, and businesses will need to adjust the way they contract with consumers in order to avoid running into trouble"

pretty cool - right on target

other links have more details

just dont listen to the ct liars

Unregistered said:

lots of good stuff there - not just about direct agreements ie not at the sellers place of business

ct liars cant read or want to trick people

nothing new about that

i really like the first link PDLC News » The New Face of Consumer Protection Law in Ontario: Consolidate, Update and Escalate

it says

"Consumers will now be able to cancel or rescind agreements and demand repayment of money under various scenarios. This is arguably the most significant development brought about by the New CPA, and businesses will need to adjust the way they contract with consumers in order to avoid running into trouble"

pretty cool - right on target

other links have more details

just dont listen to the ct liars

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lol brilliant except for one thing
"under various scenarios" read the scenarios . the scenarios do not cover anything on topic here.
Secondly, those are links to lawyers websites etc... how about pulling a davidLER and linking directly to the Government sites.
on secondl thought don't bother, anybody with more then 3 weeks on here will have seen the links more times then anyone could or would ever want to read

Lots of good info on this thread

Makes me wonder why the ct jerks try so hard to deny it

Unregistered said:

Lots of good info on this thread

Makes me wonder why the ct jerks try so hard to deny it

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Why? Read all the posts. But better yet, understand what kind of E-Commerce site this is and it's origins. You may be surprised.

Hey, I found yet another one! Turns out it helps to search for the term "rescind".

"http://www.law.uwo.ca/CLS/CLS_Articles/ConsumerProtection/WhatAreConsumerProtectionLaws.html"

"If a vendor sold you a defective product, you can demand your money back. Under the CPA a consumer is entitled to rescind their contract (meaning you get your money back) when goods are represented to be of a particular quality or standard and they are not."

Of course, all the CT Owner/Liars will show up shortly to try to convince everyone that this site isn't correct, either.

"Oh, you can't trust the UWO law school morons."

"This only applies to transactions away from their place of business".

"It doesn't have the word 'refund' in it, so it doesn't count."

"It doesn't mention 'repair only', so it's off topic."

"It's only for contractors buying a load of lumber."

"No, it doesn't say anything like that - only trust what the CT Owners tell you".

"It can't be true because nobody has quoted any successful lawsuits based on this."

"The person who posted this is delusional."

Should be interesting to see what they concoct to get around this one ...

ummm zero, nada, I'm a millionaire, cable puller, lawyer, don't bring any bullets to our toy gun fight, don't pass go, black is white, 50000 refund denialers, 500 denialer temples, that is it, go on meds, you're making us paranoid delusional in our own orewellian happy place.

I'll like your store and like to open up packages to make sure all the parts are there and then leave. And if it's missing a part, not to worry I'll open up another set to complete what was missing from the first set. Although, I don't like your store enough to spend money there.